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Post by spike on Oct 6, 2021 10:46:09 GMT
Hi Team,
Can anyone give me a brief guide to the lighting requirements necessary to pass an MOT for a 1950's cyclemotor.
particular questions: 1) Are brake lights required?
2) Do lights need to run off engine generator or is remote battery acceptable?
Looking forward to your responses with thanks.
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Post by JamesCentral on Oct 6, 2021 15:39:59 GMT
Firstly, a 1950s' cyclemotor doesn't need an MoT. If you choose to MoT it, it will pass with no lights at all. If it does have lights, it still doesn't have to have a brake light. When fitted, rear light must be red, front light must be white and have an acceptable beam pattern (download the MoT tester's manual for more on that). There's no requirement to run off the generator - but front and rear position lamps must be operated by a single switch.
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Post by spike on Oct 6, 2021 16:55:27 GMT
That's really helpful.
The reason for asking is for registration purposes.
One of these bikes is a winged wheel fitted to a BSA post office bike. It has been registered in the past but has no V5. It was first registered in Lincolnshire but the Lincolnshire records archives are not complete and the registration number is not recorded in the remaining archive. I therefore think that this will require an age related number when the time comes to register it. Hence it will need an MOT- I think !!
The other bike is a Garelli Mosquito 38B mounted in a sprung Romani frame which is clearly purpose built for the engine. Its a really nice original bike that I acquired from a deceased estate. I think the chap that died imported it for his collection. There is no paperwork suggesting any import tax has been paid on it and the only documentation is the 1960 Italian registration card from Modena. Again I think it will need an MOT to get to
an age related number. I am a bit worried that I have no import documentation and only have the receipt from the vendor for what I paid for it.
All advice gratefully received. The Garelli is runs and rides really nicely after coaxing it back to health. The winged wheel is still undergoing major surgery but I am now reassembling it, hence these enquiries will be pertinent by the end of the month.
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Post by davwat on Oct 6, 2021 18:02:16 GMT
That's really helpful. The reason for asking is for registration purposes. One of these bikes is a winged wheel fitted to a BSA post office bike. It has been registered in the past but has no V5. It was first registered in Lincolnshire but the Lincolnshire records archives are not complete and the registration number is not recorded in the remaining archive. I therefore think that this will require an age related number when the time comes to register it. Hence it will need an MOT- I think !! The other bike is a Garelli Mosquito 38B mounted in a sprung Romani frame which is clearly purpose built for the engine. Its a really nice original bike that I acquired from a deceased estate. I think the chap that died imported it for his collection. There is no paperwork suggesting any import tax has been paid on it and the only documentation is the 1960 Italian registration card from Modena. Again I think it will need an MOT to get to an age related number. I am a bit worried that I have no import documentation and only have the receipt from the vendor for what I paid for it. All advice gratefully received. The Garelli is runs and rides really nicely after coaxing it back to health. The winged wheel is still undergoing major surgery but I am now reassembling it, hence these enquiries will be pertinent by the end of the month. This may help you sleep tonight: MOT exempt ie over 40 years old = No MOT required even for registration purposes. |
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Post by spike on Oct 7, 2021 7:44:46 GMT
That did help me sleep.
I have a bit of experience in registering vintage cars that are newly constructed from period parts and have never previously been registered which always need an MOT before registration. I wonder why the rules are different for mopeds? With respect to vintage cars the MOT is used both to ensure roadworthiness at the date of the test and also as a check that the vehicle is an entity now that all the regional DVLA offices are closed where it was easy to carry out these inspections.
If no MOT is required this makes it much easier for the owner but puts more onus on the clubs and registrars that are authenticating the bike/car.
I shall start sorting the paperwork with the help of the EACC.
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Post by JamesCentral on Oct 7, 2021 14:39:18 GMT
I wonder why the rules are different for mopeds? They're not. 'Historic' cars don't need an MoT to register either - though it's good to choose to have an independent check for roadworthyness. As for checking that vehicles are complete, DVLA can get an inspection made if they want. It used to be a company called SGS, but I think someone else has the contract now. |
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